Zion's Lamp
Taken from the Advocate and Messenger of August 1926 and the Primitive Baptist of July 2, 1942.
Having been requested frequently to write some of the conversations that I have engaged in with unsuspecting men who differ from me religiously, I will, by your permission, Brother Pittman, begin with a conversation I had with a very noted Universalist in the early days of my ministry. I had just closed an extend tour among the churches of
the Middle West, and boarded a boat on the Ohio River at Mt. Vernon, Ind., for my home, and I found on board the boat quite a crowd of people very much interested in the talk of a very noted minister of the Universalist faith. I drew my chair up near where I could hear all he was saying, and I carefully noted in my mind each point as he made them, with the thought that if the Lord would help me, I would trip him, and let him fall hard. So when he had finished, and the crowd began to disperse, I turned to him and said, "Dr., would you allow a mere boy, like me, to ask you a few questions?" I saw he began to swell like a frog ready to croak, and said. "Yes, young man, ask as many as you please." I said. "Thank you, Dr., very much.
Now I will make you a proposition. If you will answer five questions for me first, just as you have set them forth in your talk, then you may ask me questions, if you wish, but you must answer mine be-fore you ask any." He said, "All right, young man, I will do that; that is fair."
"Now, Dr., my first question is, Do you believe that Jesus Christ came into this world to save sinners?" He swelled up and said, "Yes, young man, that is my faith." I said, ''Thank you, Dr., you have answered promptly.
Now my second question is, Do you believe that sinners suffer in time here, for all the sins they commit, and where they fail to finish the full payment for their sins, they are sent to a place called purgatory, until they finish the payment for all their sins, and are then taken to heaven? Is
this your faith?" "Yes, young man, that is my faith." I said, "Thank you,
Dr., you have answered promptly.
Now my next question is, Do you believe there ever was such a place as an eternal hell prepared for any of the Adamic family?" He replied, "No, indeed, I do not," with a hearty "ha! ha!" I said, "Thank you, Dr., you have been very prompt in your answers, and I think some good will grow out of such talks when carried on in such a friendly spirit," "Yes," he said, "I think so."
"Now, Dr., my fourth question is, Do you believe in the resurrection of the dead ?-that is, that these bodies in which we live and act will live again at the second personal coming of the Lord," With a very hearty "ha! ha!" he said, "No, sir, I do not; there is too much mud in that doctrine for me." I said, "Thank you, Dr., you have answered four of my questions promptly; now just one more and my time is out." "That is correct, young man; what is your fifth?"
"Please speak loud so all can hear and tell us what Jesus saved the sinner from? He could not have saved them from sin, for they have to suffer for that themselves. He could not have saved them from hell, for there is none. He could not have saved them from the grave, for there is no resurrection of the dead.Now, Dr., please tell us what Jesus saved the
sinner from?" His face was almost as red as a beet. I do believe he was as
mad a man as I ever saw. He jumped to his feet, and stamped across the boat as though he would break the floor through. He stamped back to where I was, and blurted out, "What is your name, young man?" I quietly remarked, "That is none of your business; you are to answer my questions first, sir." He stamped across the boat again, and asked me, "Where do you live, young man?" "You answer my questions first, then I will answer yours." The crowd began to clap their hands, and stamp their feet, and he began to climb down, and finally said to me, "Young man, I never had it put to me that way before, and I am not just ready to answer your question; but if you will give me your name and address, as soon as I shall have thought it over, I will write you a full solution of your question." I at once wrote my name and address and handed it to him. He looked at it, and said, "Ah, I have heard of you before." I said, "Perhaps you have; I hope you will answer my question, as it is very important that we all know the truth."
This took place about forty years ago. The Dr. has been dead for at least thirty years. I have never received his answer, and I feel sure there is no mail route between here and where he is, so I am not looking for an answer from him. But if any of his brethren feel that they can answer for him, I shall be glad to hear from-them.
By Elder T. S. DALTON
UNIVERSALISM EXPOSED